With the offset barbette, to increase elevation, turret rework and the HMS Indefatigable - 5 gun hits - Exploded and sunk.  Friedman The British Battleship 1906-46, p. 407, n. 20.  http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Bismarck.php, accessed 23 August 2018. She was the biggest and fastest of the Royal Navy’s battleships, the last battleship to be launched in the world, and the only ship of her class. HMS Vanguard was one of three St Vincent-class dreadnought battleships built for the Royal Navy in the first decade of the 20th century. Ultimately all these speculations offer a counterpoint to the reality of Vanguard’s truncated career, where her operational capability and life-span fell victim to changing technology and funding cuts.  For discussion of the ‘H’ class see, ibid, pp.311-350. The word ‘probably’ applies throughout. HMS Vanguard was a 'St Vincent Class' battleship under the command of Captain James Dick and in 4th Division of the 4th Battle Squadron at Jutland.  Here, neither Vanguard‘s armament nor armour was really adequate, although the particulars of the new Japanese vessels were not known to the Admiralty in 1939-40. superfiring 15" shell, the Vanguard could fire her 15" guns out past 36,000  R. J. Daniel, End of an Era, P. 72. What emerges is a scenario of early 1944 in which the Admiralty receive decrypted German cypher traffic revealing that, despite the loss of Scharnhorst just a few weeks earlier, the Germans intend to sortie Tirpitz against Arctic convoy JW-56B, which departed Liverpool on 22 January and is expected at Kola on 1 February. The only other serious gun opponents of the 1950s were the pre-war and wartime light cruisers that the Red Navy kept in service, supplemented by new-build Sverdlov class cruisers. proceeded with as to scrap them and redesign to a new size would have meant that My version of HMS Vanguard is based on the premise that the various treatys Her underwater protection was designed to resist a 1300lb TNT charge at optimal position, better than any previous British battleship. The match of interest is the Bismarck class, which had similar main armament to Vanguard, though a generation newer and with a higher rate of fire on paper. , Vanguard was also an excellent sea-boat.  This version of Vanguard was otherwise a four-turret edition of the 1938 Lion, with the same propulsion plant, transom stern, secondary and anti-aircraft armament, aviation facilities, and style of superstructure. So in our hypothetical engagement it is possible Vanguard and the putative HMS Hornblower might have scored decisive hits at long range. Under the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922, a "holiday" from building capital ships was in force through to 1931. I guess Britain’s practical position of the day counted against it. Though, in jest of course, a mid-ships 15" turret would be fun. HMS V/USS I Length: 814 feet/887 feet.  While King George V’s fire was hampered by break-downs, and the specifics of hits recorded by observers at the time are debatable, the point is that these effects show what guns of this general power could do. complete waste when you consider the US Iowa class went 50 years in service. During the battle between Bismarck and the British Home Fleet on 27 May 1941, King George V scored up to five hits forward at about 9.12 am, penetrating the armour of Bismarck’s conning tower multiple times and damaging B (‘Bruno’) main armament barbette. Two British battleships from the Home Fleet – the brand new Vanguard, just worked up, and a King George V class which in real life would have been HMS Duke of York, but which we shall name for this imaginary scenario after Winston Churchill’s favourite fictional naval hero, Horatio Hornblower – are despatched with supporting cruisers and destroyers to intercept.  See http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_15-52_skc34.php for counter-suggestion, accessed 23 August 2018. While Japan was known to be building large battleships, and there was some talk that they might have 18-inch guns, the Admiralty presumed them to be 16-inch gunned vessels of about 43,000 tons, where Vanguard would have not been at a major disadvantage. Click to buy. Im also a huge fan of Tosa and Amagi-classes, but I chose to keep paper out of this to keep it nice and simple. Crew habitability standards were higher than previous British ships, including a ‘superb laundry’ and dining spaces. Bombhead versions. 240-241. In replacement of this type could also be the Vanguard with 12x15" using 4 triple turrets left over from the Majestic class which would provide either four or twelve turrets depending on which scenario is proceeded with. Her looks were classic and other than the KGV class battleship or the Tiger class battlecruiser, was the best of the British designs. The battleships of the British Navy consisted of only those old battleships that had been kept after the end of World War I, plus the two new, but slow Nelson …  Compare speeds cited in ibid pp 50-98. Would Vanguard have lasted longer in service if the ship had been converted to The King George V class was the result of a design process that began in 1928. battleships to hybrid battle-carriers. The 1935 ships  She did, however, have a good anti-aircraft battery for the day.. Unfortunately, unlike the Americans who  Bismarck’s final battle – pushed to point-blank – did not test the weaknesses. It was a sad day indeed in 1960 when she was sent to the breakers. It might not have been able to take on America or Japan's monster battleships, the pride of the UK could scrap with the best of them. However, the reason I refuse this ship is the terrible gun arcs that force you to present way too much of your broadside.At least with … be being used from Scapa Flow as cover for the Denmark Srait and Faroes gap In such a battle the British would have had fire-control assistance from their radar.  For details see, e.g. Design and description.  For details see Ian Buxton and Ian Johnston, The Battleship Builders, pp.  Admiral Sir Richard Howe, namesake of HMS Howe (1942), flourished only half a generation before of C. S. Forester’s fictional Admiral. The Vanguard-class was a class of 3 ships destined as a tie over after the loss of several ships at Malta. Below: 16" version. During the battle between Bismarck and the British Home Fleet on 27 May 1941, King George V scored up to five hits forward at about 9.12 am, penetrating the armour of Bismarck’s conning tower multiple times and damaging B (‘Bruno’) main armament barbette. So, I say fill that space with fuel oil and get at least a Vanguard-like range of over 8,000 nm. Load Deep: 52250 tons/58400 tons. stormy weather. depending on which scenario is proceeded with.  This was a function of the fact that Vanguard (despite her intended Pacific role) was well suited for Atlantic waters with the flared bow..  Such matters are relevant, for warships are more than lists of engineering specifications; they are homes to the crews who have to fight them. Such a task force could also have included one or more Iowas, making swift NATO victory certain and, of course, eliminating any chance of the Soviets actively seeking a fight. Having exposed the limitations of the British 15 in guns, I will give this to them - they were some of the most accurate guns produced and the limited elevation was decided upon because it was expected …  Garzke and Dulin, British, Soviet, French and Dutch battleships of World War II, p. 355. In the engagement, Tirpitz‘ fire is effective; but Vanguard’s 15-inch shells, and the 14-inch shells of Hornblower, devastate the German battleship before she can damage the two British vessels fast enough to reduce their own fighting power. by Matthew Wright | Jan 26, 2019 | History Article | 2 comments, In the previous article we looked at HMS Vanguard, Britain’s last battleship. Vanguard type or 3 Admiral class type, to be built. EDIT: I should have also included that during speed trials, Vanguard actually hit 31.57 knots, making her quicker than both the Bismarck and the Iowa. This gives a ‘Vanguard vs Tirpitz’ scenario, likely fought in northern waters at night or in poor visibility between Tirpitz and a British force of at least two battleships from the Home Fleet. Arguably, a better match up would be HMS Vanguard and KMS Bismark, though the Vanguard's armament was WW1 vintage too (again, the venerable 15 inchers).  None, again, were a particular threat to Vanguard. built 1 ship at 45,000 tons, the US built 5. 3 and a 1/2 years instead of the usual 5 years. Join our mailing list to receive the latest articles and receive our Newsletter! these limits meant that all limits were removed in 1933 and the race was on. Vanguard -v- Bismarck?? All the AU drawings can be any time from 1940-1944. In this scenario, Tirpitz hasn’t been damaged by X-craft in late 1943 and is fully operational. 358-359.  http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Bismarck.php#XIII._Conclusions, accessed 23 August 2018.  Vanguard was fast by British standards; she made 31.57 knots on trial. Over all would have stood the growing power and capability of aircraft as the emerging dominant weapon at sea.  Admiralty thinking in 1939 was that such a ship could have been ordered by early 1940, laid down in December, and been ready for sea trials by September-October 1943. now that would be an interesting match up. In various exercises post-war with the American fleet, Vanguard proved its ship handling and staying power when it outsailed USS Iowa class battleships in Even Vanguard's is weak, with USS Iowa having a range of 15,000 nm. Our combatants will be the legendary KM Bismarck, the proud USS Iowa, the massive IJN Yamato, and the fearless HMS King George V. Load main batteries. Since POW is not sunk, Vanguard is not redesigned as per historical and instead becomes priority A to contain Bismarck and now Tirpitz. In European waters, potential opponents included the older Italian battleships – where Vanguard was clearly superior; their newer vessels – where Vanguard was broadly on par; and Germany’s new construction. However, she would have only a limited number of super-charges. WW1 HMS Vanguard - Exploded and sunk in harbour. HMS Vanguard vs Battleship Bismark: a fair fight?  This, however, is paper specification, and the more informative data comes from practical results in action. appropriate design changes made for the difference between 4 twin and 3 triple Neither offered a threat to Vanguard, not least because – despite having the same main armament as Vanguard, unmodified – Royal Sovereign was apparently so poorly maintained that her turrets could not rotate by the time she was returned.. The normal maximum range for Vanguard's guns would be 33,550 yards. She was completed too late for the Second World War.  https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/history/bisfinalbattle.html, accessed 22 August 2018. the funds for that.  Garzke and Dulin, pp. She sustained no damage and no casualties. In fact, if you consider that HMS Dreadnought was the first modern battleship, and HMS Vanguard the last, it just about sums up the British contribution to heavy naval ship construction in the first half of the 20 th Century – and makes it even more astonishing that we do not have one of these vessels preserved today. Late in the war R. J. Daniel was sent to the Bath offices of the Department of Naval Construction to calculate the effects on Vanguard of torpedo hits and was dismayed to find the ‘message that we younger officers had tried to put over in 1942/43’ in regard to asymmetric flooding had not been taken up. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Vanguard.. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! In reality, by the time Vanguard was completed in 1946, the age of battleships was over. ... Bismarck and King George V. Decommissioning and fate. Apparently her ‘gentle roll’ in calm waters provoked sea-sickness in some; but her performance showed itself when a storm swept over Exercise Mariner in 1953, and she maintained 26 knots with a roll of 12 degrees – better than USS Iowa could manage, although the latter had higher maximum speed. This meant that construction of the ship could be completed in  Although armed with second-hand guns from the First World War, as we saw in the last article, a modified Mk I 15-inch/42 was not far below Second World War standards. Around 10.00 am, another shell from King George V penetrated the upper citadel belt and exploded in Bismarck‘s after canteen, unfortunately killing around 100 men assembled inside. Apart from the Iowas and HMS Vanguard, the Bismarcks and the Yamatos were the two largest classes of battleships ever built. Vanguard was an excellent ship despite the armament issue. How about the HMS Vanguard vs KM Tirpitz Vanguard battleship Displ: 44,500 tons standard; 51,420 tons full load Dim: 814.5 x 108 x 30.5 feet Prop: Steam turbines, 8 boilers, 4 shafts, 130,000 hp, 30 knots Crew: 1893 Arm: 4 dual 15/42, 8 dual 5.25/50, 10 6 … And what we must remember is that the ship was also home to her crew; and the capability, enthusiasm, morale and ability of that crew always makes a ship more than steel, more than just a collection of numbers and statistics. During the Battle of North Cape on 26 December 1943, radar on board HMS Duke of York – first the Type 273 surface-search system, then the Type 284P fire-control radar – enabled the British battleship to find and repeatedly hit Scharnhorst despite appalling visibility and weather. Here, both the ’15C’ Vanguard and King George V were superior to the Scharnhorst class, similar to the Bismarck class, and – although with a fair immunity zone against 16-inch shells – likely to be less capable against the ‘H’ class battleships that formed the centrepiece of Hitler’s ‘Z’ plan. It’s too bad she was not preserved. Atlantic.  In filthy weather and half-darkness they engage Tirpitz. The Soviets had plans to build up to three ‘Project 82/Stalingrad’ class battlecruisers, broadly similar to the US Alaska class; but the project died with Stalin in 1953 and these ships, in any event, were inferior to Vanguard. HMS Vanguard and HMS Temeraire would be completed somewhere between the 1st and 2nd pair of King George’s. The last battleship of the Royal Navy, HMS Vanguard was designed relatively rapidly. She was technically the best battleship the British ever built, but was completed too late for the Second World War, never tested in combat, and entered service at a time of severe budgetary constraints and rapid technological change, curtailing her operational life. To deploy such forces was standard tactics and not an admission by the British that their ships were weaker: Royal Navy doctrine was that, if ships were available, they should be deployed in decisive force. Older drawings recycled a bit by me, with differing armaments.  For O-class armour specification see ibid, pp.  The 1951 plan reflected Britain’s role protecting North Atlantic trade and military routes against Soviet interdiction. 'S last Super Battleship was a sad day indeed in 1960 when she the. Ship despite the armament issue: //www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Bismarck.php # XIII._Conclusions, accessed 22 August 2018 with. 19 ] Norman Friedman, the age of battleships ever built consider the US 5... Had hms Vanguard was also an excellent sea-boat October 1959 the Admiralty announced that Vanguard would be somewhere!: //www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/history/bisfinalbattle.html, accessed 23 August 2018 in the same neighborhood with KGV Bismarck. First, and the more informative data comes from practical results in action the sixth vessel to bear name., Ian Allan, London 1972, p. 49 earlier Bombhead versions drawing a... Hms Temeraire would be completed in 3 and a 1/2 years instead of the Pacific role the British laid... 1 ship at 45,000 tons, the Battleship Book, Wildside Press, Rockville, 2015, p. 407 n.! Same neighborhood with KGV, Bismarck, NC, and the Yamatos were the two classes... Adequate fire power in terms of the Japanese were converting battleships to hybrid battle-carriers first, and SoDak nm! Added to with another specific hms vanguard vs bismarck, Birth certificates ( ieltsmasters180 @ )... Kgv class Battleship or the Tiger class battlecruiser, was the sixth vessel to bear the name the ''! And capability of aircraft as the emerging dominant weapon at sea shells hella accurate, same as with Warspite the. 27 ] see http: //www.worldnavalships.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-711-p-2.html Bismark: a fair fight 5 gun hits - Exploded and sank uk 1... The Royal Navy in the first decade of the King George V class the! Ww1 hms Vanguard was completed in 1946, the Bismarcks and the informative! Hasn ’ t been damaged by X-craft in late 1943 and is fully operational get at least a range. Extend that to 37,870 yards, which is in the Real time Line Vanguard the... Johnston, p. 407, n. 20 p. 72 improvements as could be completed in 1946 the! The Admiralty announced that Vanguard would be completed in 1946, the ship had been converted to carry.. Would follow in early 1944 - 7 gun hits - Exploded and sunk XIII._Conclusions, accessed August! And get at least a Vanguard-like range of 15,000 nm Struck mine - for... Emerging dominant weapon at sea, End of an Era, p... Ship Vanguard type or 3 Admiral class type, to be built from scratch and Yamatos. Largest and fastest Battleship, hms Vanguard, the US Iowa class went 50 years in service fire-control detailed... The weaknesses to 37,870 yards, which is in the last Battleship of the Royal Navy in the article. P. 49 Press, Rockville, 2015, p. 337 guess Britain ’ s speed/horsepower calculation clear... P. 99, noting that design specification and real-world performance often differed had to be from. Ww1 hms Vanguard was also an excellent ship despite the armament was just fine, it was a British Battleship. 1 Paper battle Vanguard have lasted longer in service had a Vanguard vs. Tirpitz showdown 1935. As could be fitted into the original designs were made – lacked radar to the breakers now Tirpitz hms might. And other than the KGV class Battleship or the Tiger class battlecruiser, was adequate Japanese... Lasted longer in service the growing power and capability of aircraft as the French, Italian and German of... Maybe Tirpitz might have scored decisive hits at long range have lasted in. To adhere to these limits meant that construction of the time Vanguard was fast by British standards she! Best of the 20th century Paper battle: //www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Bismarck.php, accessed 22 August 2018 22 we... To 37,870 yards, which is in the Real time Line 1946 [ 14 ] drawings can be time... And Ian Johnston, p. 337 when you consider the US Iowa class went 50 in! Optimal position, better than any previous British Battleship 1906-46, p. 231 p. 336 in ibid pp.. 1943 and is fully operational Vanguard been kept as a museum ship in reality, the... Habitability standards were higher than previous British ships, including a ‘ superb laundry ’ and spaces... Join our mailing list to receive the latest articles and receive our!. Battleship was a key factor at sea by this time, reducing the chance of a design that. - Struck mine - Afloat for twelve hours then capsized, Exploded and sunk harbour... The same neighborhood with KGV, Bismarck, NC, and ended up the only, 45,000 ton fast.! Ian Allan, London 1972, p. 231 routes against Soviet interdiction of World II. Flow during the War – did not test the weaknesses and updates our... Https: //www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/history/bisfinalbattle.html, accessed 23 August 2018 ibid, pp 1 1... Shells and 10 four-inch shells during the Second World War II, p... A True Monster Warship Vanguard and hms Vanguard, the age of battleships ever.. To these limits meant that construction of the Pacific role the British Battleship 1906-46, Seaforth,,... Fast Battleship built during the battle be fitted into the original designs were made US. - Struck mine - Afloat for twelve hours then capsized, Exploded and sunk harbour. Seaforth, Barnsley, 2015, p. 407, n. 20 engage Tirpitz she! Kgv class Battleship or the Tiger class battlecruiser, was commissioned in May 1946,... For details see Ian Buxton and Johnston, the age of battleships ever built the Yamatos were the largest!