STEBLIN: Years ago, a Berlin film crew wanted to make a film with me holding a shovel at her grave. . This treat has a thin base of chocolate sponge cake and a chocolate mousse filling. Beethoven) biographers are worried about this because practically none of the supposed women was ever addressed in this manner by Beethoven. The letters were discovered after Beethoven's death and ever since their discovery, there has been speculation regarding whom that Immortal Beloved might have been. Fourth Question: What can we deduce from this familiar tone? When the letter was first discovered, Schindler dated it 1806. But knowing Fritz had said end of April that they'd already gotten to Baden, there I found – in an earlier list – Josephine. They want to feel like they're a part of it. I mean her comment was that she overheard Beethoven's… well her father had asked Beethoven had he never met a woman that he would want to marry. You presented some interesting similarities between letters known to be written by Beethoven to Josephine and the 'Immortal Beloved' letter. Final scene from the movie "Inmortal beloved" about Beethoven's life. And Beethoven had said ‘Yes, five years ago. MALTZ: Today's cake is a Schoko-Mousse Herz, or chocolate mousse heart. Its content is sugar sweet, the recipient unknown: "Love demands everything. And, of course, what would happen to the bones? And I also found another letter from Therese to Josephine. Beethoven's love letters to his immortal beloved, 1812 L udwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) was a German composer and pianist. All of this is cut, appropriately, in the shape of a heart. Oh, go on loving me — never doubt the faithfullest heart Of your belovedL Ever thine.Ever mine.Ever ours. Whether seducing regal followers or criticizing the ruling class, Beethoven made many enemies. All rights reserved. As baptisms customarily took place the day following birth consensus is that the world’s greatest composer was born December 16, 1770. MALTZ: And it sends people down the wrong track for hundreds of years. Josephine was a widow with four young children and Beethoven gave concerts in her house. Though still in bed, my thoughts go out to you, my Immortal Beloved, now and then joyfully, then sadly, waiting to learn whether or not fate will hear us - I can live only wholly with you or not at all - Yes, I am resolved to wander so long away from you until I can fly to your arms and say that I am really at home with you, and can send my soul enwrapped in you into the land of spirits - Yes, unhappily it must be … But, through dedication, Dr. Steblin finally solved this mystery. The possible years are therefore: 1795, 1801, 1807, 1812 or 1818. I can only live, either altogether with you or not at all. Before, he did not live in Vienna, and he states the fact that he lives there in his letter. However, a visit to Teplitz was thought to have been made in 1812, notably because his name is inscribed on the list of hydrotherapy patients on July 7th, the time of his finding a house and his meeting with Goethe being largely accounted for and proven. And there's this snippet from the conversation book. This biography of Ludwig von Beethoven (Gary Oldman) builds its narrative around an actual letter found after his death, addressed only to the composer's "immortal beloved." STEBLIN: After the second world war, the communists came into the Czech Republic and descendants of Josephine – of her son Fritz – fled and they took with them 14 letters that they had in Beethoven's hand. This Immortal Beloved letter by Beethoven is dated Monday July 6th. MALTZ: So, as we mentioned, Josephine Brunsvik as the Immortal Beloved. What I am bringing out now are the 108 marriage letters between Deym and Josephine and they're very erotic and they show that it was really a loving marriage, not like what you read in Therese's memoirs. Angel, I just hear that the post goes out every day — and must close therefore, so that you get the L. at once. Is it not a real building of heaven, our Love — but as firm, too, as the citadel of heaven. If I had to give my own opinion regarding the identity of the woman, I would then say that I think that Josephine is the most likely candidate especially because the relation between the two of them had the required tone. 6 July, morningMy angel, my all, my own self — only a few words today, and that too with pencil (with yours) — only till tomorrow is my lodging definitely fixed. . You have the same sort of wording in these earlier love letters and the letter to the Immortal Beloved where he says, ‘you know I have been faithful to you that no other woman can...’, MALTZ: To clarify for those who don't speak German, please explain the significance of Beethoven referring to Josephine as 'du' instead of the formal 'Sie. And as we all know…, we that admire and love Beethoven and his music so much, he does not deserve this to be done with his most intimate feelings. So why, given this, would she have returned to her husband? I like to look at old problems from a new angle as I said, well… ‘Auf diese Art mit 'A' geht alles zu Grunde.” Why, why should the letter 'A' refer to the woman? Beethoven did not indicate who the intended recipient is, but the most likely candidates are Countess Giulietta Guicciardi, Josephine von Brunsvik, Antonie Brentano, and Josephine’s sister, Countess Therese Brunsvik. And, Therese, in her memoirs talks about Minona as being different from the other children, being very stark, strong in her personality so much that we called her ‘the governess.’. So, in 1808, Josephine, Therese, and the two little boys, Fritz and Karl went on a long journey and ended up in Switzerland. Beethoven proves that art offers something beyond the physical or the material world. This obsession was evident in the way –after his death-- his body was studied, in a most meticulous autopsy. And our culture would only make some sordid media soap opera out of a most sad and beautiful love story. Ludwig von Beethoven – July 6, 1806 Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827), one of history’s most famous and mysterious composers died at the age of 57 with one great secret. However, others have different ideas, such as the town of Klosterneuburg, a small town about 10 kilometers north of Vienna. It's actually the first entry. Researchers have been divided as to whom was the intended recipient. A clue that would allow them to finally grasp the magnitude of the greatness of the man that had created such music and that had lived so intensely. I weep when I think you will probably only receive on Saturday the first news from me — as you too love — yet I love you stronger — but never hide yourself from me. Born in December 1770, he was baptized on the 17th. STEBLIN: This was about the time when Stackelberg brought his three daughters, including this Minona, back to Vienna and Therese says Minona was six years old. Written by Smoothhoney1265 Plot Summary | Plot Synopsis Written in the summer of 1812 from the spa town of Teplice, the letter has generated a great deal of speculation and … And we know, in fact, I found documents in Brno that Stackelberg had made a quick trip to Prague in 1811 to borrow money from a banker there. And so she was in a sense forced to marry this baron. Dr. Steblin, thank you for joining me. They also went on picnics, and outings, and to fortepiano workshops and Beethoven recommended a Walter piano and so on. Immortal Beloved. Ludwig van Beethoven remained celibate for all of his life. So that's where you get Antonie Brentano or Almérie Esterházy or Amalie Sebald, and so on. I just recently discovered another letter by Therese to Josephine with the proof that they were hiding Maria Laura for about three years. And, what I'm doing right now is to search further in the papers of the Brunsvik family for letters that Minona, herself, wrote or comments about her. And, she found on Beethoven's desk something that said, ‘my heart overflows at the sight of beautiful nature, although without her,’ in other words, he must have been walking in nature, in Baden, with his Beloved earlier. We can listen to this love in the vibrant bliss, of so many passionate adagios, in the sorrow present in those painful tones, in so many melodies loaded with sadness and memories. I'm your host Daniel Adam Maltz. Dr. Steblin, why has the idea of Beethoven's Immortal Beloved captured imaginations for almost 200 years? This question has obsessed people for almost 200 years. Yes, I have determined to wander about for so long far away, until I can fly into your arms and call myself quite at home with you, can send my soul enveloped by yours into the realm of spirits — yes, I regret, it must be. Art is something related to the soul, to the Sacred, to the Divine. In it, he writes of his unconditional love and devotion to someone he refers to as his Unsterbliche Geliebte, or Immortal Beloved. Therese explains all of this in her memoirs in great detail and how Beethoven was so taken with the musicality and, I guess, with the beauty of Josephine that instead of just one hour a day, he would teach them for four hours a day. And he talks about how they had a wonderful summer 1816 in Baden and, Marie-Elisabeth Tellenbach had already found in the spa lists, Josephine's entry later that summer. And then exactly nine months after the letter to the Immortal Beloved, you have her seventh child born, Minona. Therese was supposed to take care of the older children in a villa in the suburbs of Vienna. Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. Which woman is entitled to this title? When a cryptic letter from musical genius Ludwig van Beethoven turned up shortly after his death, it started one of history's most compelling romantic mysteries. There, it was. The life and death of the legendary Ludwig van Beethoven. Long after his death he was exhumed twice, his bones and skull were measured and weighed again, and then photographed when it was finally possible… It is as if those men cherished the hope to find some kind of clue. Good night — as I am taking the waters, I must go to bed. What is your view about this? And then working on her papers in Jindrichuv Hradec, I found some diaries, not really chronological, but some of the entries are June 1812 and one of the entries says, ‘I want to speak to Liebert in Prague.’ And we also know from her sister Therese's memoirs that Josephine had made a plan for 1812. He never sent this letter. Beethoven is buried there as well, of course. Experts have a collection of letters written by Beethoven, that was undelivered having the subject – “To The Immortal Beloved”. She even applied for a pass to go to Italy with him and the children and so on. . The Beethoven Immortal Beloved letter was found after Beethoven's death at the same time as "Heiligenstadt's Testament" is made up of two double pages, written on both sides, (8 pages), of about 200 x 238 mm and on a single sheet of about 201 x 119 mm both sides. So, he was with them for this whole time, but Josephine's mother was looking for a husband for her daughters and the older one, Therese, well, she sort of had a bit of a crooked back and wasn't that attractive. And I had found a letter from Charlotte, the youngest sister who had just gotten married and – this is in 1807 – where she's warning Josephine don't be alone with Beethoven. The story of Beethoven's life, mostly his private life in this case, is told in flashbacks as his friend and executor of his will, Anton Schindler (Jeroen Krabbe) sets out to find the mysterious Immortal Beloved, the recipient of a passionate love letter written by the composer. She was in her eighties in 1920 when she brought out the book. It is like looking once again in the wrong place. So, in other words, he must have met this woman in Prague on the 3rd, because that's when he didn't keep his appointment. Third Question: Of which towns does he speak of in the my Immortal Beloved letters? So, I contacted the health agency, the Gesundheitsamt – they're responsible for grave sites and found out what I could. I think that it is all intimately related with the cultural obsession, about discovering the secret of his genius. And he talks about his love for her and that he's won her heart and that she will make him more productive in his compositions and that she knows he's faithful to her and no other woman can win his heart. Everything in Immortal Beloved revolves around the mysterious letter 'An die unsterbliche Geliebte', which was found after Beethoven's death in 1827. MALTZ: We're skipping forward now, there was another cryptic comment that has stumped Beethoven researchers for years. . And you found something curious about this ‘St’, STEBLIN: His 'St' looks very much like an 'A' and Gräffer, who was the copyist, if he just saw this one initial cipher? The mystery during the years has been who the “Immortal beloved” is. So, the marriage took place in Gran, Esztergom, Hungary in February of 1810. This letter is a touching and passionate love letter, written to someone who he loves and who clearly loves him back. Learn more about the era of Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven from my videos and podcast interviews with other Vienna-based performers and experts. And so it's exactly at that point that he lays claim to his nephew, even though Karl's father was still alive and wouldn't die for another few years. He would loathe such a treasonous act. Be calm — love me — today — yesterday. What abominable waste of time in such things — why this deep grief, where necessity speaks? MALTZ: So up to this point, we've discussed Beethoven longing after Josephine for years, a surprise encounter where they spent the night together in Prague and the Immortal Beloved letter that Beethoven never sent, where he pleaded for Josephine to find a way for them to be together. They're all saying there's no proof that there was any contact between Josephine and Beethoven later on. Whom did Beethoven love so passionately? And so that's where it remained. Just now I perceive that letters must be posted first thing early. MALTZ: So this speaks to Josephine's magnetic appeal. MALTZ: The famously temperamental Beethoven never married, but, between July 6th and 7th in 1812, Beethoven wrote a three-part letter. But because Beethoven couldn't lay claim to his own child, he then took over this nephew. It is certain that nothing will stop the researchers and scholars of this question. Letter with the subject – Immortal Beloved. DR. RITA STEBLIN: It's a pleasure to be here. Our guest, musicologist Dr. Rita Steblin, finally identifies the correct woman. STEBLIN: Well the name comes from Ossian, that Gaelic Bard, and appears in Goethe Sorrows of Young Werther, and is the daughter of a musician. And remaining frustrated. And the names that Josephine gave to her children all have symbolic meaning. STEBLIN: Yes. STEBLIN: Exactly. And then other people told me it's not possible to determine fatherhood from such old bones but, Malte Böcker, the business head at the Beethoven House in Bonn, wrote me just recently an email saying, ‘I'd like to let you know that I have secured Minona's gravesite and nothing will happen to her bones.’. } When Schindler first met Beethoven, the composer explained the meaning behind a new sonata, and many years later, it turned out to be reflective of events mentioned in the “immortal beloved” letter. MALTZ: So let's move forward. The proposed possibilities as to the identity of this mystery woman are numerous, indeed too numerous for one man! You will receive future monthly newsletter emails. Without you — pursued by the kindness of the people here and there, whom I mean — to desire to earn just as little as they earn — humility of man towards men — it pains me — and when I regard myself in connection with the Universe, what I am, and what he is — whom one calls the greatest — and yet — there lies herein again the godlike of man. In this, I am again in agreement with my French friend: in a way, I am extremely glad that with all the research invested in the Immortal Beloved riddle, our culture academia failed miserably in revealing this particular mystery. Oldman gives a tour de force performance as the passionate, volatile genius who inspired love and hatred in equal measure. Let God return peace to your soul and so that you can return to your children and your family. So! I mean, I can't say that I was the first to come up with Josephine. The second is more difficult. document.links[i].href += "?js=yes"; The earliest… And because I did so much work on papers in the archives, especially in Jindrichuv Hradec where you have all the papers that were sent to Josephine, I noticed that her husband Stackelberg always referred to with just 'St' that the 'St'… I used to misread it as an 'A' and then that gave me the idea… Hey, this might not be 'A,' this might've been a mistake by the copyist and it really was Auf diese Art mit Stackleberg everything is going to ruin. I think that the riddle of the Immortal Beloved letter is something of this kind of issue. Solve the long-disputed mystery of Beethoven’s Immortal Beloved, Unearth details of this woman’s life and her irresistible charm, Understand why Beethoven never sent the letter, Be shocked by the surprising end result of this romance. But there exist two conditions: July the 6th must have been a Monday, and Beethoven's timetable must have allowed him to be out of Vienna on this day. And that convinced me that she had the right woman. Beethoven still has them waiting and hoping in vain to be able to open his secrets. } function init() { And there's some other passages in his diary where around the birth of Minona where he says, ‘Oh, I will have to leave Vienna.’. And your research sheds light on a side of Beethoven that is quite opposite to the fiery personality we often think of – a Beethoven who wanted to love and be loved. STEBLIN: Well, I mean, what a scandal. MALTZ: And so your theory or… you're saying that Fanny Giannatasio del Rio is simply substituting the other German verb, kennenlernen, which is just to get to know. As a last testament this document may have been faulty, but as a biographical puzzle it was a masterstroke, inspiring two centuries of fevered speculations, of which this … You will get over it all the more as you know my faithfulness to you; never another one can own my heart, never — never! As I say, you can't at this point determine fatherhood, but maybe there are other ways. Gary Oldman, Jeroen Krabbe, Isabella Rossellini and Valeria Golino star in IMMORTAL BELOVED, a mesmerizing mystery based on the tumultuous real life of Ludwig van Beethoven. But, she was already in her eighties and died soon after. And it wasn't until 1860 when he brought out another edition of his Beethoven biography with a facsimile of the letter that people could see… Oh, Julie isn't even mentioned in Beethoven's letter. It is an old obsession, and it dates from his times already. These were requirements that Beethoven himself “joked” about on some occasion. STEBLIN: Yes. He was not having a spa treatment in this city of water. [1:35] MALTZ: The famously temperamental Beethoven never married, but, between July 6th and 7th in 1812, Beethoven wrote a three-part letter. Then it fits Josephine. The letter’s unnamed recipient — Beethoven’s “Immortal Beloved” — remains a mystery, and continues to generate debate. } First of all, there are the memoirs of her oldest son, Fritz, who he started writing when he was 20 years old to his 15-year-old bride. What is the evidence that this encounter took place and what clues place Josephine in Prague at this time? It is equally curious to see how the theorists are split into two clearly visible groups in their proposition of my Immortal Beloved: the English and the Americans, more in favor of Antonie Brentano, and the Germans, French and other Europeans, more in favor of Joséphine von Brunsvik. This letter is one of the most famous documents in the legacy of the great German composer Ludwig van Beethoven (1770–1827). And Josephine wanted to go again to Karlsbad. Good morning, on 7 JulyEven in bed my ideas yearn towards you, my Immortal Beloved, here and there joyfully, then again sadly, awaiting from Fate, whether it will listen to us. It was written to an unknown woman who Beethoven simply called his … Before, he did not live in Vienna, and he states the fact that he lives there in his letter. STEBLIN: When I was a piano teacher in Vancouver for seven years, I read the book by Marie-Elisabeth Tellenbach on Josephine Brunsvik as the Immortal Beloved. Why? Where I am, you are with me, with me and you, I shall arrange that I may live with you. It wasn't just her husband, Deym. The Immortal Beloved (German "Unsterbliche Geliebte") is the addressee of a love letter which composer Ludwig van Beethoven wrote on 6–7 July 1812 in Teplitz. Well, here you have 1818. I mean, maybe he thought there'd be this scandal about the paternity or he wanted to undertake a Große Handlung or something. Beethoven "Immortal Beloved" Letters/"Emperor" 2nd Movement - Duration: 8:19. Welcome to Classical Cake, the podcast where we discuss topics relating to Viennese classical music while enjoying one of Vienna's delicious cakes. He HAD loved her before, so he might have loved her still in 1812. The problem person would be her husband, that he's the one that's causing all the problems for Beethoven. On one of their outings, they went to the wax museum of Count Deym, Joseph Deym. In any case, if one day this great mystery were to be solved by an indisputable proof, would we find our appreciation of the works of Beethoven and of the man, himself changed? Mondays — Thursdays — the only days, when the post goes from here to K. You suffer — oh! Who is this Immortal Beloved? Soon after Beethoven’s death in 1827, a letter was found in a secret drawer in his Vienna apartment. Was it 1819 or 1820, I believe… where somebody writes to Beethoven about this musical child. And just recently the business manager of the Beethoven House in Bonn, Malte Böcker, wanted to have all of my correspondence with this Gesundheitsamt because, in the end, it was sort of like… well, who's going to pay for this? What a life! MALTZ: This is where the story gets particularly interesting to me and I think to anybody who has an interest in this subject is that there is more to this encounter on July 3rd in Prague in 1812, that Beethoven had with Josephine. And, because there's a mystery behind it, people wanted to solve the mystery and each generation has had a go at it. if (document.links[i].href.indexOf("/recommended/") != -1) { [I] had gotten to know,’ he used the word kennen, ‘gotten to know a woman.’. MALTZ: You mentioned in one of your articles that Minona is buried in Vienna's Central Cemetery. ', STEBLIN: Yeah, it's like the French 'tu'. It is evident that they were looking for clues in the wrong places to find the identity of his Immortal Beloved. The men just fell for her. He is referring to Vienna (in German, the initial is a 'W' for 'Wien') and no one has found a reason to dispute this. The echoes of this love are listened along the years, in so much of his musical works. Who, among the scores of women that Beethoven seduced, was his Immortal Beloved? The rest the gods must send, what must be for us and shall. Finding the answer required cross-referencing 200-year-old letters, diaries, memoirs, as well as other documents to find clues. MALTZ: Especially a married woman, I imagine. It is as if by knowing what kind of woman loved him and was loved by him, some part of the mystery of his enormous spirit would be finally revealed to us. And what I have found is that she was musical and that they were hoping that she could make a living as a musician. Oh God — so near! STEBLIN: Well, the letter itself is one of the most passionate letters that anyone has ever written and certainly the most passionate by a composer. Because she was still fertile, and all of her other earlier six children were conceived immediately after she'd slept with her first husband and then her second husband. And so there were deep psychological reasons for him doing that. And so she had a wagon with horses. Beethoven very rarely used 'du' and to use 'du' with a woman…. I think she had this attraction. So Josephine was very charming, very beautiful. Why has the Beethoven Immortal Beloved letter captured imaginations? She had many relatives from her first husband in Prague and after Deym's death, she took all her four children to speak with the Emperor Franz. MALTZ: Right. MALTZ: It would seem to suggest that four years later it was still and has only ever been this one woman. Written in pencil, it is addressed to an unknown woman with whom Beethoven was apparently in a love relationship and to whom he refers at one point as his "Immortal Beloved." Beside all the work he is known for, the composer once wrote a famous love letter to a nameless beloved and the movie tries to find out who this beloved was. Well, we know that Beethoven knew Josephine since 1799 so five years before would disqualify her. This Immortal Beloved letter by Beethoven is dated Monday July 6th. He says, and don't hide yourself from me. I mean she… I know that in 1811, a year before the Immortal Beloved letter, she, was not sleeping with her husband anymore. In Beethoven’s unsent love letter to his ‘Immortal Beloved’ he wrote: My angel, my all, my own self — only a few words today, and those in pencil (with yours)… Can our … And so you have these letters that turned up, and the language is very close to what Beethoven used in the letter to the Immortal Beloved – calls her, my angel, my all. STEBLIN: Yes. MALTZ: Let's get to the evidence you discovered. MALTZ: And this would explain how in the fall, Beethoven returning to Vienna, sees a happily-married Josephine with Stackelberg and writes, “Auf diese Art mit 'St' geht alles zu Grunde.”, STEBLIN: That's right. The identity of Beethoven’s “Immortal Beloved” (more accurately translated as “Eternally Beloved”) has confounded historians for two centuries and even inspired a movie. Which is to say, that our personage does not us allow to imagine THAT role for him. Immortal Beloved refers to a 10-page unsent love letter found in Beethoven’s estate following his death in 1827. And quite rightly so. Second Question: Where was the Immortal Beloved letter written? In these letters, Beethoven uses the informal, familiar 'you' to address his (Immortal Beloved. They'd be gone forever. for (i = 0; i < document.links.length;i++) { Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) was a German composer and pianist, who is arguably the defining figure in the history of Western music. MALTZ: People love a story, right? Not easy as Beethoven has had many women in his life. MALTZ: And so you, in doing your research into this theory, found examples in Beethoven's hand where he writes both an 'A' and an 'St' – in Beethoven's hand – so that we have definitive proof. And all the people, all these scholars in the States and in England and Germany who claim that Josephine cannot be the Immortal Beloved. . Anyway, what is real beyond any doubt is that the composer really loved a particular woman very much, and that he loved her for a long time. Can our love persist otherwise than through sacrifices, than by not demanding everything? And it was there that they met Stackelberg, who was an Estonian baron. DANIEL ADAM MALTZ: Grüß Sie from Vienna, Austria. It is completely coated in dark chocolate and is decorated with gold leaf. We know this because of a letter in three parts, found in Beethoven’s desk after his desk. And, in fact, you give evidence that Josephine gave birth to Beethoven's child. Numerous therefore propose it to be Karlsbad (more than 120 kilometers West of Prague, and a 100 or so kilometers from Teplitz). Following Beethoven's death in 1827, an undelivered letter in his hand addressed to "Immortal Beloved" is discovered. Now, we have proof that Josephine was in Baden for weeks. This kind of spiritual link was mentioned in a mysterious letter written by Josephine in 1818 to equally mysterious recipient. A crucial figure in the transition between the Classical and Romantic eras in Classical music, he remains one of the most recognized and … And she also showed the most genius among the children. So when did Josephine marry Stackelberg? His longtime secretary Anton Felix Schindler takes it upon himself to track down this person to whom Beethoven has willed his fortune. Well… because 'St' is kind of unusual and 'A' is much more common. 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